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sword-meets-rose:

the-quiet1:

christiantheatheist:

When God is not Great is used as justification for the deaths and mistreatment of millions of people, then I’ll say it’s alright to deface it.

Justifying crimes because you don’t like religion is perfectly okay. You heard it here first, folks.
And here I thought anti-theism was just insulting people? I didn’t think any of them had taken to crime yet. And I’d been told it would never happen…

but guise atheism is not responsible for any hate ever anywhere.
it’s totally the fault of Christians for being Christians!
(because, y’know, that isn’t victim blaming at all)

Well, technically, atheism isn’t. Atheism in and of itself can’t cause any harm, just as theism cannot. It’s all about sects - in this case, atheism has the ‘sect’ of anti-theism, which infers a negative treatment of theists. It’s only through that modifier atheism can become a tool for hate.

sword-meets-rose:

the-quiet1:

christiantheatheist:

When God is not Great is used as justification for the deaths and mistreatment of millions of people, then I’ll say it’s alright to deface it.

Justifying crimes because you don’t like religion is perfectly okay. You heard it here first, folks.

And here I thought anti-theism was just insulting people? I didn’t think any of them had taken to crime yet. And I’d been told it would never happen…

but guise atheism is not responsible for any hate ever anywhere.

it’s totally the fault of Christians for being Christians!

(because, y’know, that isn’t victim blaming at all)

Well, technically, atheism isn’t. Atheism in and of itself can’t cause any harm, just as theism cannot. It’s all about sects - in this case, atheism has the ‘sect’ of anti-theism, which infers a negative treatment of theists. It’s only through that modifier atheism can become a tool for hate.

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christiantheatheist:

When God is not Great is used as justification for the deaths and mistreatment of millions of people, then I’ll say it’s alright to deface it.

Justifying crimes because you don’t like religion is perfectly okay. You heard it here first, folks.
And here I thought anti-theism was just insulting people? I didn’t think any of them had taken to crime yet. And I’d been told it would never happen…

christiantheatheist:

When God is not Great is used as justification for the deaths and mistreatment of millions of people, then I’ll say it’s alright to deface it.

Justifying crimes because you don’t like religion is perfectly okay. You heard it here first, folks.

And here I thought anti-theism was just insulting people? I didn’t think any of them had taken to crime yet. And I’d been told it would never happen…

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atheistfags:

ALL employers SHOULD be forced to provide contraception services. It doesn’t matter if it is against your religion. If you don’t agree with it, by all means, don’t use it. But your employees are not necessarily religious and do not necessarily share your views.
The great thing about America is that YOU can disagree, but in the interest of public health we must think of the larger rational population who doesn’t want to have 12 children or get STDs.
(via Obama Birth Control Shift: Conservatives Are Not Buying It)

And in the interest of public health, we should let the free market handle insurance so that people can get the insurance they need.
Religious groups shouldn’t get special treatment by the government, I agree. Thing is, the government should have never been in this issue in the first place.

atheistfags:

ALL employers SHOULD be forced to provide contraception services. It doesn’t matter if it is against your religion. If you don’t agree with it, by all means, don’t use it. But your employees are not necessarily religious and do not necessarily share your views.

The great thing about America is that YOU can disagree, but in the interest of public health we must think of the larger rational population who doesn’t want to have 12 children or get STDs.

(via Obama Birth Control Shift: Conservatives Are Not Buying It)

And in the interest of public health, we should let the free market handle insurance so that people can get the insurance they need.

Religious groups shouldn’t get special treatment by the government, I agree. Thing is, the government should have never been in this issue in the first place.

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It seems to me that many nonbelievers have forgotten—or never knew—what it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made careers out of bemoaning the failure of religious people to adopt this same attitude.
However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that may give readers a sense of how religious people feel when their beliefs are criticized. It’s not a perfect analogy, as you will see, but the rigorous research I’ve conducted at dinner parties suggests that it is worth thinking about. We can call the phenomenon “the fireplace delusion.”
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Sam Harris’s attempt to build an analogy for his ‘noble’ crusades against religion is ironically also faulty to the same flaws of that crusade.
The opening paragraphs of the article discuss burning wood as the issue, however, the article soon makes it clear that the concept of wood as fuel is not inherently a problem. It is instead the toxic gases released when wood is burned. If these gases did not exist, burning wood would not be a problem. It would indeed be a healthy source of heat and comfort.
The same applies, as ever, to the fatal flaw of anti-theism. Religion is set up as the enemy, but the concept of religion is completely innocuous. It is specific harmful doctrines which have supposedly made religion so horrific, and it is the doctrines that can be reasonably critiqued. Were it not for those doctrines, the misguided anti-theist would not exist, there would be nothing to complain about.
The analogy breaks down here, of course, for obvious reasons. We cannot reasonably separate wood from its harmful gases. We are forced to abandon wood fuel, no matter how attached, because of this inseparability.
Luckily, despite anti-theist claims to the contrary, religions are not so inflexible. Religions change doctrines constantly throughout the ages, moving closer and closer to what an all-loving deity, should one exist, would want. The internet is filled, too, with individual journeys of theists who broke free of hateful doctrines and into innocuous beliefs.
Harris fails to realize that when religion is stripped from the doctrines he critiques it for, religion can indeed serve as a fuel. And what a fuel it is - a fuel for charity, community, love. That isn’t to say humanism or secular alternatives aren’t equal fuels, but every human ‘vehicle’ runs on something different, their own positive philosophies. And when we can accept this variety in fuels, a lot more progress is made in making the world a better place.
(Also, I love how in an analogy to religion he mentions an unequivocal need for legal action against the “cause” of harm. Hey, anti-theism’s just verbal critique… it will never eventually lead to legal discrimination against theists… riiiiiiight.)

It seems to me that many nonbelievers have forgotten—or never knew—what it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made careers out of bemoaning the failure of religious people to adopt this same attitude.

However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that may give readers a sense of how religious people feel when their beliefs are criticized. It’s not a perfect analogy, as you will see, but the rigorous research I’ve conducted at dinner parties suggests that it is worth thinking about. We can call the phenomenon “the fireplace delusion.”

More…

Sam Harris’s attempt to build an analogy for his ‘noble’ crusades against religion is ironically also faulty to the same flaws of that crusade.

The opening paragraphs of the article discuss burning wood as the issue, however, the article soon makes it clear that the concept of wood as fuel is not inherently a problem. It is instead the toxic gases released when wood is burned. If these gases did not exist, burning wood would not be a problem. It would indeed be a healthy source of heat and comfort.

The same applies, as ever, to the fatal flaw of anti-theism. Religion is set up as the enemy, but the concept of religion is completely innocuous. It is specific harmful doctrines which have supposedly made religion so horrific, and it is the doctrines that can be reasonably critiqued. Were it not for those doctrines, the misguided anti-theist would not exist, there would be nothing to complain about.

The analogy breaks down here, of course, for obvious reasons. We cannot reasonably separate wood from its harmful gases. We are forced to abandon wood fuel, no matter how attached, because of this inseparability.

Luckily, despite anti-theist claims to the contrary, religions are not so inflexible. Religions change doctrines constantly throughout the ages, moving closer and closer to what an all-loving deity, should one exist, would want. The internet is filled, too, with individual journeys of theists who broke free of hateful doctrines and into innocuous beliefs.

Harris fails to realize that when religion is stripped from the doctrines he critiques it for, religion can indeed serve as a fuel. And what a fuel it is - a fuel for charity, community, love. That isn’t to say humanism or secular alternatives aren’t equal fuels, but every human ‘vehicle’ runs on something different, their own positive philosophies. And when we can accept this variety in fuels, a lot more progress is made in making the world a better place.

(Also, I love how in an analogy to religion he mentions an unequivocal need for legal action against the “cause” of harm. Hey, anti-theism’s just verbal critique… it will never eventually lead to legal discrimination against theists… riiiiiiight.)

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That’s funny… because in this world, the “ages of scientific repression” never occurred. Where’s my flying car?

That’s funny… because in this world, the “ages of scientific repression” never occurred. Where’s my flying car?

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You know, I can’t even get up the nerve to be angry at anti-theists anymore. I just feel kind of sick and sorry for them.

What amazes me is the finality of the choice they make. They are certain, or almost certain, in their rejection of an afterlife. They are of the opinion that when you die, that’s it. Nothing else.

And I’m not saying that’s bad. I think the idea that “this life is it” can be as powerful a motivation for good as the theist believing a god is watching them. I’m not arguing that absurdity that disbelief in an afterlife makes one nihilistic, and the behavior of most “real world” atheists demonstrates the contrary.

But what worries me about anti-theists is that they can simultaneously think that there’s nothing but this short life, and then dedicate that short existence to a crusade against everything they find unreasonable, simply because they find it unreasonable. Nothing else is weighed, no other statistic seems to matter. Naturalistic reason is good, everything else is evil, the world’s black and white when it comes to beliefs. It’s an absolute I can’t seem to wrap my head around. I hope I never do.

For seventy, eighty, ninety, even possibly a hundred years, you get to try to make the world a little bit better for the next generation. Every minute you spend on the pointless is another minute you don’t spend helping that generation or the generations to come. And that’s still how you choose to spend at least some of your time? Fighting supposed unreasonable faith?

I don’t claim to know if there’s an afterlife or not. It’s not really a big concern for me, because either way, what matters now is making this world better. That means putting aside your differences and working for coexistence. And no, that’s not optional. The work of individual groups who don’t get along is paltry compared to what could be done as a whole.

And that’s what I find sad about anti-theists. That those who are most sure of a limited life have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to make the most of what we have.

I know the “consider what you do with your time” thing is cliche, and hell, I’m one to talk about it myself. I waste a lot of my time, goofing off on the internet and playing loads of PS3. By no means am I saying I’m flawless in this area.

Still, when I see that combination of anti-theism and disbelief in a next life, I can’t help but find it a sad irony. One of the saddest.

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As many of you know I’ve spent a fair amount of time criticizing religion, and one of the perks of this job is that you immediately hear from all the people who think that criticizing religion is a terrible thing to do. And strangely, the reason most people rise to the defense of god is not that there’s so much evidence that got exists, but they believe that belief in god is the only intellectual framework for objective morality.

Sam Harris, The God Debate II (via factoverfaith)

I don’t believe it’s the only framework for morality, but it being a framework for morality, and a fairly successful one at that, does make criticizing all religion a pointless, if not an outright ‘terrible’ thing to do.

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This is an ad on that Atheist Nexus site.
Well, can’t blame them for being honest about it.

This is an ad on that Atheist Nexus site.

Well, can’t blame them for being honest about it.

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Should read "How my six-year-old debunked a hyperliteral reading of Genesis which was called into question long before anyone knew what evolution was," with the subtitle "my six-year-old is really bright and looks like he'll have a promising future but I'm going to make sure he's also insufferable about it"

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